DESCENDENTS OF WILLIAM FISHER (Born c.1781 in Tipton, Staffs)
Continuing the Homepage of Joe Fisher
FROM WILLIAM FISHER (BORN
about 1781) TO JOSEPH FISHER (BORN 1878)
INTRODUCTION
Below is a summary of the information obtained to date together with its sources for the family from William Fisher (my great-great-great-grandfather) a farmer born in Tipton, Staffordshire in around 1781 down to my grandfather, Joseph FISHER, who was born in Tipton in 1878 and left it in 1895 to join the Royal Marines.
My grandfather's direct line of descent is shown in red.
Please let me know on joe.fisher@physics.org if any of this information is useful to you, or is wrong or if you can add to it.
SUMMARY OF INFORMATION
A : WILLIAM FISHER I, born in TIPTON in about 1781
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES :
24 February 1782 The St Martins, Tipton general register records the christening of a William FISHER on that day with a date of birth given as 22 February 1781 which may be our man - pity that "William" was such a popular name! (It would mean that he was 70 at the 1851 Census after all!) The parents' names are given as William and Mary Fisher.
29 August 1814 The St Martins, Tipton marriage register records a marriage between "William FISHER", batchelor, and "Nancy SAUNDERS", spinster, which is certainly our couple (See the birth certificate of their son, Gaius, ). Both were described as from "this parish" and whilst she signed the register, he made his mark! The marriage was conducted by "John Howells, Curate" and the witnesses were Samuel Saunders and Maria Taylor who both signed the Register. Neither addresses nor information on parents was given.
20 August 1815. On the christening of Josh. FISHER and Mary FISHER it gives the parents as "Wm. & Nancy FISHER", their father's occupation as "Labourer" and their "abode" as Netherton. (This is about 1.5 miles from Dudley and about 3 miles from Tipton.) It seems likely that "our" William and Nancy are the parents named.
26 August 1821. On the christening of their sons, William and John it gives the parents as William and Ann FISHER, the father's occupation as "Farmer" and the abode as "Puppy(?) Green".
27 January 1822. On the christening of their son, Joseph, it gives the parents as William and Ann FISHER, the father's occupation as "Farmer" and the abode as "Puppy Green".
26 December 1824 On the christening of their son, Thomas, the parents are given as William and Ann FISHER, the father's occupation is described as "Farmer" and their "abode" is given as Puppy Green.
3 December 1826. On the christening of their son, James, it gives the parents as William and Ann FISHER, the father's occupation as "Farmer" and the abode as "Puppy Green".
5 April 1829. On the christening of their son, Samuel, it gives the parents as William and Ann FISHER, the father's occupation as as "Farmer" and the abode as "Puppy Green".
26 February 1832. On the christening of their daughter, Caroline FISHER the parents were named as William & Ann FISHER, the father's occupation was described as "Labourer" and the "abode" given as Tipton.
20 October 1833. On the christening of their daughter, Hannah FISHER, her parents are given as William & Ann FISHER with the father's occupation given as "Farmer" and the "abode" as Tipton.
2 April 1837. On the christening of their son, Thomas, it gives the parents as William and Ann FISHER, the father's occupation as "Farmer" and the abode as "Pitchfork's(?) Farm". 2 October 1840. The birth certificate of their son, Gaius, gives his parents as William FISHER, "Farmer", and his mother as Ann FISHER (formerly SAUNDERS) thereby confirming the marriage entry given above. William was the informant, his address was given as "Lodge Farm" and he still had to make his mark! 1841 Census. Aged "60". Address: Lodge Farm, Park Lane, Tipton. Born in Staffordshire. Described as "Farmer". Presumed wife "Ann Fisher" aged 50 and born in Staffordshire.
1851 Census. Aged 68. Address: 26 Park Lane, Tipton. Born in Tipton. Described as "Farmer of 40 acres", Wife "Ann Fisher" aged 57 and born in Wednesbury, Staffs.
The ages of both William and Ann given in the 1841 and 1851 Censuses are clearly inconsistent. In the 1841 Census adults' ages were supposed to be rounded DOWN to the nearest 5 years whilst in the later Censuses the actual ages were supposed to be entered. If the "1851" ages are correct then the ages entered into the 1841 Census should have been 55 and 45 respectively. Perhaps the Enumerator got confused and simply rounded to the nearest 5 years! On the other hand they may just have given him the wrong ages!
1861 Census William does not appear but "Nancy Fisher" of 84 Park Lane, Tipton is described as a widow aged 70. (She seems to have aged 12 years in the previous 10 years!)
[On examination of the Census returns referred to above it seems likely that Lodge Farm, 26 Park Lane and 84 Park Lane may have been the same dwelling.]
1862 Probate Record The Probate record from the Lichfield District Office shows William's Will of 1859 as proved by his son Gauis, Boatbuilder on 31 July 1862. It gives the date of death as 13 March 1862 but this must have been an error for 1861 since his wife was a widow by the 1861 Census! Some of the delay in proving the Will may have been to allow Gauis to be of full age (21) which he was not until October 1861.
William and Nancy FISHER appear to have had 12 children :
B.1 : Josh. FISHER
20 August 1815. There are consecutive entries for a Josh. FISHER and a Mary FISHER in the Baptisms' Register at St Thomas Church, Dudley, Worcs with the parents named as "Wm. FISHER & Nancy". This would have made her 25 [not 24] at the 1841 Census. Their father's occupation is given as "Labourer" and the "abode" as Netherton. (This is about 1.5 miles from Dudley and about 3 miles from Tipton.) It seems likely that this was "our" Mary (see below). The apparent appearance of a brother, Josh, to Mary is a surprise. Perhaps he was her twin (or an illegitimate elder brother) and had either died or left home before the 1841 Census.
1841 Census. No entry for "Josh. FISHER" at Lodge Farm, Park Lane. B.2 : MARY FISHER I, born in Staffordshire in about 1817. 20 August 1815. There are entries for a Mary FISHER and a Josh. FISHER in the Baptisms' Register at St Thomas Church, Dudley, Worcs with the parents named as "Wm. FISHER & Nancy". This would have made her 25 [not 24] at the 1841 Census. Their father's occupation is given as "Labourer" and the "abode" as Netherton. (This is about 1.5 miles from Dudley and about 3 miles from Tipton.) It seems likely that this was "our" Mary. The apparent appearance of a brother, Josh, is a surprise. Perhaps he was her twin (or an illegitimate elder brother) and had either died or left home before the 1841 Census.
26 August 1821. There is an interesting entry in the St Martin's, Tipton baptismal register. This immediately preceeds the entries for her imputed brothers William and John (see later) who were both christened on that day. It is for "Mary Fisher MARTIN" described as the daughter of Mary and John Martin of Dudley Port. There is an IGI entry for the wedding of a Mary FISHER and a John MARTIN on 22 May 1803 at Tipton. It seems likely that this Mary FISHER was a relation ( perhaps a sister or cousin ) of William FISHER and that this christening was therefore that of a cousin of "our" Mary. 1841 Census. Aged "24". Address: Lodge Farm, Park Lane,Tipton. Born in Staffs. The 1841 Census only required the county of birth (not the parish) to be indicated. It also did not require the relationship to the "Head of Household" ie William in this case, to be stated. It has been assumed that Mary was William's daughter but she could have been a niece, cousin etc. Not shown in Park Lane in later censuses - she possibly married & moved out. 1851 Census. Her father, William FISHER, is shown as having his 5 years old grandaughter, Mary Ann Garne(r/w?) staying - perhaps Mary's daughter? If so, where were her parents? William's Will of 1859 named his grand-daughter Mary Ann Gannar(?) as one of his beneficiaries. It seems likely that his eldest daughter Mary Ann was the mother (presumably deceased) of Mary Ann Gannar(?) 1861 Census There is a 15 year old Maryann GAUSIER[?] shown as a servant to the widow Nancy Fisher. Possibly the same person? If so why wasn't she shown as Nancy's grand-daughter?
------------- B.3 : WILLIAM FISHER II, born in Tipton, Staffordshire in about 1817
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES:
26 August 1821. There is an entry for "William Fisher" in the St Martins, Tipton, Staffordshire baptismal register. It gives the parents as William and Ann Fisher, the father's occupation as "Farmer" and the abode as "Puppy Green". [There is an entry for his younger brother, John, immediately following. See later]. 1841 Census. Aged "20" years. Address: Park Lane, Tipton (next door to Lodge Farm.) Described as an Agricultural Labourer born in Staffordshire. Name given as "William FISHER Jnr."
In the 1841 Census adults' ages were supposed to be rounded DOWN to the nearest 5 years whilst in the later Censuses the actual ages were supposed to be entered. The age above is therefore not inconsistent with an actual age of 23 or 24 implied as stated in later Censuses.
The 1841 Census only required the county of birth (not the parish) to be entered. It also did not require the relationship to the "Head of Household" ie William in this case, to be stated. It is a reasonable assumption, however, that "William FISHER Jnr" was the son of "William FISHER" above and this is supported by the baptismal information above.. 1851 Census. Aged 33 years. Address: 25, Park Lane, Tipton. Described as a Labourer born in Tipton. Wife named as "Phoebe" aged "28."
1861 Census Aged 44 years. Address: Earl of Dudley Colliery, Tipton. They had 6 children : -------------
C.3.1 : MARY ANN FISHER, III Born in TIPTON in about 1842.
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES:
Born in TIPTON in 1842.
------------- C.3.2 : HANNAH FISHER II Born in TIPTON in about 1847 BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES: Born in TIPTON? in 1847 ------------- C.3.3 : JAMES FISHER II Born in TIPTON in about 1847
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES :
Born in TIPTON? in about 1847 1851 Census. Aged 3 years. Address: 25, Park Lane, Tipton. 1861 Census Aged 14 years. Address: Earl of Dudley Colliery, Tipton. 1881 Census. Aged 33 years. Address: 3, Moore Lane, Rowley Regis. Boat Builder. [Probably the same person] Married SARAH in about 1868.
They had 5 children : ------------- D.3.3.1 : JOB FISHER, Born in Tipton, Staffs in about 1869. BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES :
1881 Census. Aged 11 years. Address: 3, Moore Lane, Rowley Regis. Described as Scholar. ------------- D.3.3.2 : ELIZABETH FISHER, Born in Rowley Regis, Staffs, in about 1872. BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES :
1881 Census. Aged 8 years. Address: 3. Moore Lane, Rowley Regis. Described as Scholar.
------------- D.3.3.3 : CAROLINE FISHER II Born in Rowley Regis, Staffs in about 1875
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES:
Born in Rowley Regis, Staffs in about 1875.
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D.3.3.4 : ESTHER FISHER Born in Rowley Regis in about 1876.
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES:
1881 Census. Age 4 years. Address: 3, Moore Lane, Rowley Regis. ------------- D.3.3.5 : WILLIAM FISHER Born in Rowley Regis, Staffs in about 1878.
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES:
1881 Census. Age 2 years. Address: 3, Moore Lane, Rowley Regis. -------------
C.3.4 : CAROLINE FISHER Born in Tipton, Staffs in about 1849.
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES :
1851 Census. Aged 1 year. Address: 25, Park Lane, Tipton. 1861 Census Aged 12 years. Address: Earl of Dudley Colliery.
------------ C.3.5 : MERIAH FISHER Born in TIPTON? in about 1850
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES:
Born in TIPTON? in about 1850
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C.3.6 : PHOEBE FISHER I
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES:
Born in about 1851
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B.4 : JOHN FISHER, born in Staffs around 1818.
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES
1841 Census. Aged 22 years. Address: Lodge farm, Park Lane, Tipton. Described as Agricultural Labourer.
26 August 1821. There is an entry for "John Fisher" in the St Martins, Tipton, Staffordshire baptismal register. It gives the parents as William and Ann Fisher, the father's occupation as "Farmer" and the abode as "Puppy(?) Green".
There is an entry for his brother, William, in the immediately preceeding entry.
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B.5 : JOSEPH FISHER, born in Staffs in 1821, BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES :
27 January1822. Christened at St Martins, Tipton, Staffs. The entry gives the parents as William and Ann Fisher, the father's occupation as "Farmer" and the abode as "Puppy Green". 1841 Census. Aged 19 years. Address: Park Lane, Lodge Farm. Described as an Agricultural Labourer. 9 March 1846. Marriage certificate shows marriage to HANNAH GRIFFITHS (born in 1824 in Tipton) in St Leonards, Bilston, WOLVERHAMPTON, Daughter of WILLIAM GRIFFITHS: "Forger". Joseph's father, William Fisher described as "Farmer". Witnesses: Benjamin Barker, Ann Gough. 7th April 1855. At birth of son "Joseph" (see below) described as Boat Builder. 1861 Census Aged 38 years. Address: Earl of Dudley Colliery. Described as a Boat Builder. He had 5? children : -------------
C.5.1 : SARAH ANN FISHER, born in TIPTON in about 1850 There is an IGI entry for a christening of a Sarah Ann FISHER at St Thomas, Dudley on 2 June 1850 with the parents given as Joseph & Hannah FISHER C.5.2 : WILLIAM FISHER, III, born in TIPTON? in about 1852 There is an IGI entry for a christening of a William FISHER at St Thomas, Dudley on 13 May 1853 with the parents given as Joseph & Hannah FISHER BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES : 29 years old in 1881 Census. Address: 9 Boat Row Par...., Tipton. Married MARY LAKIN (born in 1856). He had 5 children : -------------
D.5.2.1 : GERTRUDE FISHER, born in TIPTON?
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D.5.2.2 : IDA FISHER, born in TIPTON?
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D.5.2.3 : GEORGE FISHER, born in TIPTON in 1877
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES :
4 years old in 1881 Census & at 9 Boat Row Par..., Tipton
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D.5.2.4 : MABLE ("MAY") FISHER,
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES:
Born in TIPTON in 1879
2 years old in 1881 Census & living at 9 Boat Row Par....., Tipton)
Married ERNEST HENN.
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D.5.2.5 : JOHN ("JACK") FISHER,
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES:
Born in TIPTON in 1881
3 months old on 3rd April 1881 (ie the Census) & living at 9 Boat Row Rar..,Tipton
------------- C.5.3 : HANNAH FISHER, III, born in TIPTON in about 1854 There is an IGI entry for a christening of a Hannah FISHER at St Thomas, Dudley on 26 March 1854 with the parents named as Joseph & Hannah FISHER ------------- C.5.4 : JOB FISHER There is an IGI entry for a christening of a Job FISHER in St Thomas, Dudley on 26 September 1858 with parents named as Joseph & Hannah FISHER. Could this be another sibling? C.5.5 : JOSEPH FISHER, II, Born in Tipton in 1855. BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES: 7th April 1855. His Birth Certificate shows him as born in TIPTON, STAFFS
24 May 1863. There is an entry for the christening of a Joseph FISHER at St Thomas Church, Dudley with the parents named as Joseph & Hannah FISHER, the father's occupation described as Miner and the "abode" as Tipton. However , it gives his date of birth as 7th April, 1861 which disagrees with the above. Was this a mistake or were there two couples called "Joseph and Hannah FISHER" in the Tipton area at that time? 5 December 1875 married MARY ANNE INGLEY (the daughter of Henry Ingley, Card Waner) born in about 1849 in Tipton, Staffs) at Christ Church, Quarry Bank,Staffs. He had two children by Mary Anne Ingley: D.5.5.1 : JOSEPH FISHER ("Grandfather Fisher") born in Tipton on 21 January, 1878 and died around 1945 in London BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES Click for further information about "Grandfather Fisher D.5.5.2 : CHARLES FISHER ("Old Uncle Charley") born in Tipton on 6 April 1879
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1881 Census. Living with his first wife and their sons Joseph and Charles at 16 Waterloo St* Tipton with his occupation given as Boat Builder 14 February 1886 married MARY (POLLY) BIGGS (the daughter of William Biggs, labourer) born in about 1863 in Poplar, at Poplar Parish Church, Middlesex [later London] He had [at least!] 8 children by Mary (POLLY) BIGGS : [Note: Dates of birth estimated from 1901 Census unless otherwise stated and names of spouses from family hearsay.]
---------------- D.5.5.3 : (2) NATHAM BIGGS FISHER, born about 1888 in Poplar, London, married CECEILLIA SCAMMEL. ------------- D.5.5.4 : (2) ELIZABETH SARAH-ANN, born about 1889 in Poplar, London ------------- D.5.5.5 : (2) ALBERT WILLIAM FISHER, born about 1891 in Poplar, London, married ISABEL LEE. ------------- D.5.5.6 : (2) ELIZA FISHER, born about 1892 in Poplar, London, married STEPHEN ACKLAND. ------------- D.5.5.7 : (2) BENJAMIN FISHER, born about 1893 in Poplar, London, married LYDIA WALKER. ------------- D.5.5.8 : (2) WILLIAM FRANK FISHER, born about 1898 in Poplar, London, married DAISY FITZGIBBONS. ------------- D.5.5.9 : (2) MARY ANN FISHER, II, born in ?, died in Hampton Court in 1994, married LESLIE ARTHUR JACKSON. ------------- D.5.5.10 : (2) FRANK FISHER, I, born in ?, married IVY THOMPSON. 1901 Census. Living with his second wife and their six eldest children Nathan, Elizabeth, Albert, Eliza,
Benjamin, and William at 7, Marshfield Street, Poplar, London with his occupation given as
Boilermaker.
He died in around 1921
B.6 : THOMAS FISHER, BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES: 26 December 1824 There is a Baptismal entry in the Tipton register. The parents are given as William and Ann FISHER, the father's occupation is described as "Farmer" and their "abode" is given as Pappy? Green. Presumably Thomas died before 1836 when his younger brother was born and named "Thomas". [It is understood that it was common practice in Victorian times to reuse the name of a child who had died earlier.]
B.7 : JAMES FISHER I Born in Tipton, Staffs in around 1826.
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES:
3 December 1826. Christened at St Martins, Tipton, Staffs. The entry gives the parents as William and Ann Fisher,the father's occupation as "Farmer" and the abode as "Puppy(?) Green".
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B.8 : SAMUEL FISHER, born in Tipton, Staffs in about 1829.
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES:
5 April 1829. Christened at St Martins, Tipton, Staffs. The entry gives the parents as William and Ann Fisher, the father's occupation as "Farmer" and the abode as "Puppy(?) Green". 1841 Census. Aged 11 1851 Census. Aged 21
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B.9 : CAROLINE FISHER, born in Tipton, Staffs in about 1831. 5 April 1829. There is an entry in the Baptismal Register of St Thomas Church, Dudley, Worcs for a Caroline FISHER with the parents named as William & Ann FISHER, the father's occupation described as "Labourer" and the "abode" given as Tipton.
Married JOSEPH MILLS.
She had 1 child : -------------
C.9.1 : MARY JANE MILLS. -------------
B.10 : HANNAH FISHER, I, born in Tipton, Staffs in about 1833
20 October 1833. On the christening of their daughter, Hannah FISHER, in St Thomas', her parents are given as William & Ann FISHER with the father's occupation given as "Farmer" and the "abode" as Tipton.
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES :
1841 Census. Aged 8
1851 Census. Aged 16!
------------- B.11 : THOMAS FISHER. Born in Tipton, Staffs in about 1836.
2 April 1837. There is an IGI entry for a christening of a Thomas FISHER at St Martins, Tipton, Staffs> It gives the parents as William and Ann Fisher, the father's occupation as "Farmer" and the abode as "Pitchfork's(?) Farm".
------------- B.12 : GAIUS FISHER. Born in TIPTON in about 1840
BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES:
1841 Census. Aged "1 year" ie on 6 June 1841. Address: Lodge Farm, Park Lane, Tipton. Name given as "Gayous" but from later Census entries appears to have been "Gaius" 1851 Census. Aged "11 years" ie on 30 March 1851 1861 Census Aged "20 years" ie on 7th April 1861 1840 birth certificate gives his date of birth as 2 October and his parents as William Fisher, "Farmer", and Ann SAUNDERS thereby confirming their marriage entry given above. His father is the informant, his address is given as "Lodge Farm" and he "makes his mark"!
1881 Census. Aged "40 years" ie on 3rd April 1881. Address: Sedgley Rd, Tipton. Wife named as "Fanny", aged ? and born in Tipton
Married FANNY, perhaps around 1863.
He had 4 children : -------------
C.10.1 : WILLIAM FISHER, born in Tipton in 1864. BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES : Aged 16 in 1881 Census at Sedgley Rd, Tipton ------------- C.10.2 : GAIUS FISHER, born in Tipton in 1865. BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES : Aged 15 & "Scholar" in 1881 Census at Sedgley Rd, Tipton ------------- C.10.3 : ISAIAH FISHER, born in Tipton in 1866. BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES : Aged 14 & "Scholar" in 1881 Census at Sedgley Rd, Tipton ------------- C.10.4 : SARAH FISHER, born in Tipton in 1868. BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES : Aged 12 in 1881 Census at Sedgley Rd, Tipton & described as "Scholar" -------------